Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Fulll] [Oceanlab]

Imagine going on 15 dates each with a bunch of girls and you never fuck any of them. This game is worse than real life and its a game about sex lol.

First, I will say that I did enjoy what I played of the ORIGINAL version of the game.

I would suggest to put back in the absolute control of the Pregnancy Content – it was appreciated.
I would also say that Harem SHOULD be in the tags, as an absolute = the game is BUILT to be a harem.
It does not really function any other way, and is one thing that made the bitchiness of the characters semi bareable.

Next: An Open Relationship IS NOT a Harem. They are two entirely different concepts; and if you let me turn NTR OFF with the stated premise being it will NEVER be shown = it’s NOT AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP. I would differentiate the two paths by stating in the NTR OFF version that players can choose the choice that EVOLVES the relationship (which Miru should NOT be opposed to at all) is labeled Harem. Directly. That way a player will know what you intend and not need to worry about fucking up. Tagging on to that point: Miru doing Porn = in the NTR OFF version, the ONLY one she should consider doing it with is MC. Without question. I do not need or want to see Lesbian content; it does NOTHING FOR ME.

On the NTR ON version you’re fine to keep it as Open Relationship (What the hell do you even mean by MOB???) The players that want to see that content – or like myself will test out differentiations in multiple playthroughs to see what actually changes, can have that content and take the consequences.

Special Note: Whether NTR ON or OFF = Gina should NOT be a locked character. At all. In NTR Off, have her suggest to do MC (or have Miru push for it like you had originally) and have her go through with it. Obstensibly to “please” her BF. Who can then deal with the final consequence to his NTR Fetish in that he WILL LOSE Gina to MC, because she WILL join the forming Harem. Leaving the male right off. We never need to meet him beyond maybe the once to set it up. On the NTR ON path, it can go to a point of sharing and still be viable. Either way you included her in the game, so fuck right off with making her path exclusive. That always pissed me off.

The Girls:

Leia should NOT be the “cold” one. That always was, and always SHOULD be Katie. Leia was the one grounding point that in her warmth; acceptance and KINDNESS to the MC despite the fact he left the family, was the reason I as a PLAYER wanted to keep going through all the other bs that the characters put MC through. As far as making her Domme – don’t. Not with the MC. She can do it with everyone else. I don’t give a flying fuck… but she SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY SUBMISSIVE TO THE MC. She can break down at one point and tell him the distance you can work into the story was a shield for him. [But for fuck sakes – remove the YOU’RE NOT TRUSTED BULLSHIT. That’s just her being an ass for no reason. Does she want him to stick around or not??? Because again: HUMAN REACTION. If someone sent me that mixed a message the first thing I’d do is say okay. You can all go right back to fucking off. I’m done. You don’t want me here; you don’t need me here, so why the bloody hell AM I HERE?] Making her “distant” does not mean make her an outright bitch, and the way you wrote the character before was fucking perfect. (There was also more actual sex that involved MORE THAN JUST ONE BLOODY GIRL – but we’ll get there) Why in the holy hell did you change that?!?

Next: EVERY. SINGLE. GIRL. DOES. NOT. NEED. TO ALREADY. BE. TAKEN! There’s no point in pursuing ANY of these idiots if they already have BOYFRIENDS. Limp dicked or not.

Dana has Martin. Gina has her BF. Zoey is with Katie. Monica is with Benjamin. Jesus fucking Christ what the hell is the point… If you want to tell the player fuck right off,you’ve got not shot = you’re on a damned good start.

On that note: Dana is stated to be the “nice one” and Monica is supposedly “an angel” BULLSHIT. Even as the nice one she still takes shots at MC, and says he has no shot. Again: It DOES NOT MATTER HOW ATTRACTIVELY YOU RENDER A CHARACTER WHEN YOU MAKE THEM AN ASSHOLE! Monica I’ve gone into below. She SHOULD recall exactly how skilled MC is at sex (beyond the bullshit scenario YOU came up with just to give her a reason to be unreasonably pissed off at MC) and STILL WANT HIM. She can be pissed at herself that she does. I don’t care. She can be unhappy with Benjamin because he can’t compare (There’s a REASON she didn’t tell him about MC taking her first time – and you NEVER forget your first, so fuck doubly right off with her being the Tsundere) but you NEED to fix that. Dana SHOULD be the most willing to be with MC. There’s no point in implying she’s extremely Submissive if you’re going to be passive aggressive about the fact she’s never been laid. Fuck. Me. Sideways. You need to work in a way that BOTH of these girls will give MC a shot; DESPITE the fact they have (not so) significant others.

Katie: Should actually BE THE ONE WHO WAS ANOREXIC. She would then actually have a good reason to blame MC as much as she does. Leia does NOT fit that backstory and again altering her character is detrimental to Player involvement. It would also give more poignance to her eventual softening/forgiveness of MC. Rather than EVERYONE treating him like he’s the asshole. We’ll get to that as well. Don’t worry. Zoey – if she wants an Open Relationship and NTR OFF is applied; the ONLY one either of the two should consider or be SEEN considering is MC. You said it would never be shown – it should also never be IMPLIED THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN. Not a hard concept. There’s NO POINT to teasing this much about incoming sexual situations with ANY of the girls at all, if you’re just going to keep blue balling your audience and get about as far as you got with the original, with ONLY ONE FUCKING GIRL ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING SEXUAL.

Miru: Make her stop talking about Breeding UNTIL you actually bloody RE-IMPLEMENT that system. You’re teasing a kink, and it’s getting god damned annoying. Either shit or get off the pot – because as mentioned below; you had the perfect opportunity to re-render the jail scene (and it’s fucking stupid to have put the MC in JAIL off screen – and then make him behave like EVERYONE’S BITCH) Where with NTR ON Miru COULD actually get pregnant… and you didn’t. Because you wanted little miss Random Ice Queen to Girl Boss. On a guy you CLAIM has been trained by a god damned ninja and is literally 3 TIMES HER SIZE! (It would have worked when MC was the shrimpy little bitch that he was rendered in the first game… it doesn’t work the way you made him look in this one = and yes we are SOOOO going to get to that)

Daphne: What is the point of her? Seriously, you even found a way to make a character who has 2 actual scenes be pissed at MC for HAVING NO CHOICE BUT TO GO BACK HOME! Write her smart enough to realize if she wants him that badly a) no friendzone bullshit – make player choices available as to whether she will be pursued or not FROM. THE. FUCKING. START. And B) She CAN FUCKING MOVE TO HIM!!! Jesus. One god damned girl that DOESN’T find a reason to be blocked off, already taken, or a rancid bitch would be very nice. Because as it stands there’s no reason to want to keep playing this unless you actually hire a writer who understands that BANTER IS NOT JUST INSULTING. There’s no affection involved with the girls’ talking to MC.

While we’re at it on a side point: Bibi? Did you hire a three year old? Use it maybe once. One time. And screw off with any jeuvenile writing. This is serious subject matter you want us to be invested in, then you can write like you’re older than fucking fifteen. That includes ALL characters. Again, banter is done with affection, and engenders investment. Encourages endearment. What you’re doing is emotional punching bag, for no reason. Which again = make at LEAST one point of player choice for each girl in general (from the beginning to the current update) where you can actually GAIN affection with the girls. Hell I’d add several, and that would be a LOT easier to take as far as this story goes. But on that point – The overly mysterious bullshit isn’t helping your case. It didn’t help in the original story either, but at least playing through it before you stopped for whatever reason to re-work the whole thing, it was getting to a point where things started to click. Having everyone and their dog shut the MC out DOES NOT engender the idea that they actually ever WERE that invested in him. Or want him to be there. Or stay there in the long term. Genuis’.

On the point of the Pregnancy system that you originally had; it was fine the way it was. There were ONLY 2 actual instances of the pregnancy happening and one had supposed consequences (on the NTR path) and potential consequences – that were never rendered – on the Harem Path. It SHOULD be a focus in this game. With MORE THAN MIRU FUCKING FOCUSED ON IT. There was a girl you revealed in later updates was a spy; and again the story was going somewhere with it… so what gives? Where the fuck is she?!? Because she was the one you could randomly breed on a one night stand that was never a good idea in the first place = but it was also one of several MORE instances of actual sex in the original version of the game. Slow Burn is one thing, but dudes… dudettes or what the hell ever you identify as inbetween; You’re basically trying to rip on Animal Kingdom without the Thievery aspect. Or playing a very wonked Game of Thrones. Where the only two characters actually on a throne are Leia and Helen (for no reason: BECAUSE THE MC SHOULD BE THE KING!) Bring back the actual sex content SOON. Because if you keep dicking around with long assed waits on updates just to put out more FILLER [You say Story, I say Tomato] MOST of your audience will drop off a cliff. Most. Not all, for those idiots that might point out not everyone plays these games to fap. Yes. You do; you just do it later. Possibly because god forbid you concentrate on more than one thing at a time…

Again: Relationship. System. With more than shortform you yourselves understand that the audience is going to read as WTF. Miru + 1 Love. Miru + 1 Hate. Simple as fuck, yes? Really easy to understand what the hell you get out of it. Not Miru Hy +??? You explain it ONCE at the BEGINNING of the game. I took it to be hate = CONFUSING. Is it really going to kill you lazy fucks to write Miru Hates You? Miru Loves You? It took me about two seconds to type in both. Adding the same values for ALL of the girls that can and WILL be pursuable should be your standard. Because that way, it at least LOOKS like there has been progress. I would seriously re-write EVERY. SINGLE. GIRL. To at least work up to not being an outright bitch, or have very clearly defined reasons to start – and then GIVE THE MC the chance to break her defences down. WITHOUT having to make the guy built like the fucking Grey Hulk constantly apologize for his own bloody existence. They all want to bone him (whether they’ll admit it or not; and some already have…) then they can fucking well act like it. Even if grudgingly. That’s how you invest an audience. You’re depending on renders to be attractive enough to keep your players invested: Guess what? EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. ON. EVERY. SINGLE. PORN. GAME. SITE. IS. MEANT. TO. HAVE. ATTRACTIVE. CHARACTERS! It’s the personality that matters. The heart. If you can’t do that, hire a writer that can. Hell I’d be available and I’ve played through both current versions. So I know what was, and what could be.

Dana: Was rendered more attractively in the BASE version of the game. Dude; Thicc does not mean thighs and hips wider than any physical head. It doesn’t mean tits the size of fucking watermelons. Or actual pumpkins. Hell even Leia I’d take down by at least a half a cup, and she’d still be a knock out (despite the fact I’d like to knock out this particular version of her) Katie’s are fine and full enough. You DON’T really need to go that much bigger. Dana shouldn’t be called Chunky. That’s not Thicc. That’s just fat. She’s not got the height to justify the weight you put on her, and FUCK body positivity. It does not belong in a fantasy context. Put her back the way she was, or write her the fuck out of the game. Because if she’s waited a full year with a boyfriend and he still hasn’t gotten his dick wet when she’s “submissive” either he has no dick to use on her, or SHE’S the fucking problem. [It would be better if she actually ONLY wanted the MC, and uses the Submissive bullshit as a smokescreen to shield the fact that she couldn’t get what she wanted… and NOW she has the chance]

Dana: Where? Seriously you added like fifty fucking new GUYS… insinuate the MC is gay at any point (fuck absolutely right off with that by the way – or make it a choice for those that want to play that way at the BEGINNING, and leave it done) but the ONE girl other than the insanely breeding focused rabid GF that also DOESN’T need to be in the bloody game to start with if it was ever intended to be a harem, is nowhere to be found. Don’t bother with… yet. At the rate you’ve put out updates I’ll be dead before you get there. You skipped the freaking prison scene, but I’ll assume working out there is what made the MC so “buff” (which doesn’t bloody matter if you’re never going to let him USE IT)

You did basically a girls night out with the MC joining later, only to bugger off before you recounted the drug based orgy scenes from the first game (but I’d estimate the progress to be about the same – with again, less lewd involvment and WAY too much focus on Miru = because the other girls who frankly should and DO want to bone the MC are all too busy telling him to fuck right off) I don’t know if you’re going to work towards the prison scene again; but Abigail DID NOT need to be rendered to be a copy of Jack from Mass Effect 2. I don’t mind the upgrade by any stretch: There’s STILL NO POINT TO IT, if you’re not going to let the MC actually DO any of the other girls. Which would be a lot easier to get to if they didn’t all freaking have boyfriends or end up Dykes. (Yes; Katie keeps defending Bi, but so far we’ve got no sign of her actual interest in MC – and a forced point of the PLAYER choosing to show interest TWICE = though at least one is “recommended” – so fuck it. She’s a dyke until otherwise implemented that she actually gives a flying fuck about MC)

You need to let the MC start actually having AGENCY. Not to mention the player. Build the story all you want, but it’s going nowhere because you want to write a mystery box. Here’s a tip; the last season of Lost should be your bench mark. Because it REALLY WAS NOT GOOD. That’s what you’re going to end up with if you keep trying to be coy about all of this. You want factions, and a war on turf = do it. You want to position MC’s family as the MAIN GROUP ON THAT TURF??? Do it. But MC and NOT LEIA should be the one to get that job done. It’s not a harem if the male is not leading. You didn’t create a female MC, so it has to be a male lead harem. It’s not even a dating sim; because every fucking girl is already TAKEN. So end of the day, decide what the hell you want with this game, and STICK TO IT. Leia did NOT need to be running a prostitution ring, as a club owner. Believe it or not you can run a club and make decent to more than decent profit in general without the added semi legal bullshit (it’s NOT legal everywhere and the cops will still bust a prostitute in Canada for actually plying her trade – despite the fact it’s TECHNICALLY legal, so that’s not a fucking defense) You didn’t need her to be running the drug op either. What the hell is Dylan even there for? Other than to look like MC’s older, smaller brother.

Which by the way: WHY. IN. THE. HELL. CAN’T. YOU. RENDER. A MALE. ATTRACTIVELY??? He doesn’t have to be John Cena or Alan Ritchson. Jesus. Make him lithe but shredded in the abs. A decent amount of muscle mass and six foot. That’s what most women enjoy. That’s what most men want to be. This asshole can’t even properly bend his arms. And before that you rendered him as basically the same kind of string bean in every other freaking harem game. Ever. Would it kill you guys, just once to render someone like Cyclops. Kurt Wagner. Warren Worthington the third? Jacked doesn’t mean Hulked out. It means viably in more than decent shape and someone that LOOKS like they could actually handle themselves in a fight. Then you turn this dickhead into the biggest pussy on the planet when facing girls 90 lbs (for the most part – I doubt Dana’s 90 lbs even soaking wet…) for what? Why. Why… Why? Is it so hard for you guys to actually treat your characters like you care that they exist. Like actual humans. Here’s the thing; if someone put you through what you’re writing for the MC, with your awareness of whatever the hell you want his backstory to be = do you think you’d stick around? It’s not that hard to be empathetic to the characters you’re doing the work for. They exist because of you. You wrote them. So either in MC’s case you’re projecting over-compensation issues with the current rendering, or I don’t even want to know what your therapy bill comes to.

The game had far more potential as the Original. I do have it in my “games for fun” bookmarks. I am actively considering removing it, because of how badly you’ve borked everything you bothered to try to build up. I’ll give you a few more updates before I download it again, as a last chance. Because if you don’t at least implement SOME of these suggestions, not a one of your girls is rendered attractively enough (since there is no moaning – and I really don’t know why so many of you bother with the sound bar as an option when there’s NEVER any sexual sounds) to make me want to play. You had a perfectly fine story that was shaping up. With the beginnings of what was becoming a harem as it should always have been labeled. With a credible reasoning behind the goings on. Less mystery, less trying so hard to make things mysterious, and less juevenile writing. Whatever reason you canned that version, it was the better one to play. As it stands, I really can’t recommend this game unless as a male, you identify as Submissive or are actively a masochist. Because so far, there’s just a shit ton of cock teasing unless you’re VERY into skinny Asians that are way too horny. (There’s also NO REASON for HER to have the higher libido – or call MC’s cock small… Girth matters more to women yeah; but dude… fuck right off for calling that thing at all “small.” What’s she comparing it to, a horse?)

basically just a little stuff dev put in this game and only put licensed music lmfao. we all here don’t give a fuck about music if we want to hear music we got spotify itunes youtube etc and all people music preference are different. you think put “licensed” funky music in your game will make us experience better gameplay? hell no. you can shove that “licensed” funky music up your ass dev. this dev is so retarded the music genre and game theme really off putting. like dev literally put funky music during romantic and intense sex scene. you think i’m a hippie or something?

The mod breaks the game.

Hello everyone, I have a question, is it necessary to play “Summers gone” before playing this?
I know they are from the same dev and someone told me that the stories are connected